Why is imagery so important to you?
Images and words are the building blocks of our thinking. They shape how we see ourselves, the world, and others. But images and words are often not neutral. They are influenced and manipulated by existing power structures and stakeholders, as well as by our own habits and blind spots. These images have a significant impact on our behaviour. When we talk in water metaphors ('asylum tsunami', 'we are being flooded', 'a new wave') about people fleeing, we frame them as a natural disaster. This consciously and unconsciously makes us afraid of these people, and that fear leads us to act with less empathy. As a visual artist, I find it important to reflect on this, to dissect and question these images, and to expose the mechanisms behind dehumanisation. But it is also important to devise new and alternative images and words that allow us to hack the system.
You recently created the installation ik en jij. Could you tell us more about it?
Last November, I was invited to showcase my work at Unfair, in the Gashouder in Amsterdam. Originally, I wanted to exhibit different work, but it felt so strange to be there and not address the atrocities in Israel and Palestine. It felt both odd and vulnerable to create something about such a loaded subject in such a short time. But when urgency outweighs doubt, apparently you just do it. In ik en jij, I explore a crucial question that arises in conflict situations: is there a way to continue hearing each other amidst suffering, dehumanisation, oppression, grief, and heated emotions? I collaborated with Arran Lyon, a member of the ARK collective and also a fellow in this programme, to hack a telephone booth where people are given the space to talk about their feelings, to whisper, cry, shout, pray, or be silent. These conversations are recorded and played back on headphones in random order so that others can listen to them. The question I posed to visitors was:
How are you?
And what do the horrors there do to you?
This setup creates a detached and delayed but also incredibly personal conversation that allows you to share your feelings with each other, but without the ability to react directly to one another. You cannot interrupt or engage in discussion with each other. Just those few changes in format alone transformed the conversation itself.